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    AJAX Tutorial & Example

    Made this yesterday:

    Javascript autocomlpete (MySQL based): http://bnovc.com/ex/autocomplete

    Short Tutorial: http://bnovc.com/site/?page=home&comment=23

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    You really need to get rid of your little IE thing, If you thing that Ajax does not work with IE.....nevermind...

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    The "AJAX thing" works perfectly in IE.

    The ban stands. Use an up to date browser.

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    Thanks for the good laugh...

    And next thing you are going to tell me is that Ajax was invented by Mozilla and IE copied them?

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    Don't think I ever claimed that.

    Do you seriously believe IE is better? Now that's a laugh. Learn CSS.

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    lol .. it is pretty ironic to demonstrate a technology that MS invented and then ban MS browsers from looking at it ...
    Last edited by brothercake; 04-12-2005 at 09:07 PM.
    "Why bother with accessibility? ... Because deep down you know that the web is attractive to people who aren't exactly like you." - Joe Clark

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    I suppose so.

    I was more trying to ban IE from my site originally before posting this.

    Microsoft invented quite a few things, but that doesn't mean they currently use them the most appropriately.

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    Sure, and they don't .. but which browser is better is beside the point, it's self-defeating to make web applications that don't work in IE, because IE is what most people use.
    "Why bother with accessibility? ... Because deep down you know that the web is attractive to people who aren't exactly like you." - Joe Clark

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    I don't see how that is self-defeating, it promotes standard compliance and use of new technology. I prefer to be optimistic about future web applications and not dwell on IE's flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brothercake
    lol .. it is pretty ironic to demonstrate a technology that MS invented and then ban MS browsers from looking at it ...
    I am glad someone saw my point there....

    Over 10 years ago I used to ban Netscape people from my site since I was a hardcore IE programmer. I later learned how to do cross browser scripting and wow.

    Yes complainace is a pain in the rear and makes our lives harder. If you get a job in the real world, your company site can not be limited to Mozilla or they will miss out on 80 to 90% of the people surfing the net. Say bye-bye to profits and your job!

    When people block browsers it tends to say to me I am lazy to make everything work! Feel free to stand on your platform and block me, one less hit to your site.

    Also please do not act like I know nothing about programming. I do it for a living, written articles, written a book that is out on the shelves, and I am currently writing a book on Ajax. I have a resource section in my Ajax book. I was going to look at your site and maybe add it, but not any more. Guess you do not need the traffic.

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    Well ... firstly, let's keep this all friendly, cos it could easily go the wrong way

    I think the crux is that we should be wary of falling into a kind of "browser facism" - the very essence of accessibility is access to everyone - and that includes people who choose to use IE. You think they're wrong, I think they're wrong - we all think that - but that's not the point. If you block IE from your site then really that's no different from MS's behavior in forcing IE's hegemony in the first place.
    "Why bother with accessibility? ... Because deep down you know that the web is attractive to people who aren't exactly like you." - Joe Clark

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    I don't think that you can consider that an empirical example. Obviously not everyone agrees that IE is wrong because the user two posts above claims to be writing a book about web development but is using IE. I hope that doesn't add to the clutter of incorrect books already in existance.

    And since everyone seems to attempt critical comments, for my job I do allow Internet Explorer on all websites and make them work perfectly in IE 5+, NS, Opera, Mozilla, Links, Links, etc. I don't feel like doing that for personal projects. There are basically very few reasons someone would use IE. The most common reason is ignorance. I understand that it is useful to test in IE and sometimes IE is necessary for poorly made websites. However, generally speaking, IE is flawed and causes more developers to pander to it. I want this to stop, and I want to be able to use new technology. (and yes some people bog their FF down with extensions, so they use IE for less ram consumption)

    I'm fully aware of how many clients IE has and fully don't care.

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    It seems to me that you're making a lot of assumptions and generalisations - to assume that ignorance is the major reason for people using IE is to deny the possibility of people out there who choose to use IE even though they understand the whole story; people who [heaven forfend] prefer IE to Firefox.

    These people exist, in who-knows what numbers since there's no effective way to find out; and by excluding them you're being deliberately discriminatory, for the sake of nothing but an ideological point of view.

    I guess that's your choice, but I can't really see why you'd want to do that.
    Last edited by brothercake; 04-13-2005 at 12:07 AM.
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    If one of these people who chooses IE over Firefox find me and explains why, I'd be glad to have a discussion with them and possibly unban IE. Most likely I'll allow IE7 anyways.

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    My brother prefers IE over Firefox - he just doesn't like Firefox, and does like IE - and he's a computer programmer with more than 2 decades experience.

    Anyway you can do what you want ... I just think it's silly, that's all
    "Why bother with accessibility? ... Because deep down you know that the web is attractive to people who aren't exactly like you." - Joe Clark


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