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02-20-2013, 04:03 PM #1
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How do I pull a web form form another web site and place it onto my web site?
I currently have a landing page that I need a web form to be placed on.
the company I work with that handles my email marketing has 1 web form and it is hosted on a link that they gave me.
currently I have a button on my website that says "click here for your coupon" and when the user clicks the button they will be directed to an external web page that shows the web form and is hosted on a URL provided to me by the company that does my email marketing.
the issue here is that when I am creating a goal in Google Analytics I am unable to say that the goal has been accomplished because when the user submits the web form they are on a different website.
The company will not build out the web form for me in code that I can copy onto my website, they will only give me the link to where they have the web form hosted.
This is a real issue for me because I want to be able to track people on my Google Analytics that come and fill out the web form.
MY QUESTION IS: Is there a way to pull the web form from the URL they provided for me in order to get it to show on my web form, this way when people fill out the web form they are filling it out on my website and when they submit the web form it will bring them to a different thank you page?
02-20-2013, 05:07 PM #2
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- You can (probably, unless the marketing company has some hidden inputs generated with session data or something of that nature that requires a visit to their form in order to populate them first) make your own form on your own page with the same input names and just use their form's "action" attribute on your form (in other words, submit it to wherever they submit their form). This might work, and is easiest, though I don't know if your analyitcs will be what you want since the submission of the form itself is not done to your own website. Things that will break this method include the aforementioned session/cookie-based hidden inputs and the possibility that their form recipient page will only accept submissions whose header information indicates that the referring URL is their own form's URL. You won't be able to defeat either of those barriers with this simple method.
- You can do what a lot of websites do and use a server-side script to generate a page with a redirect to actually take the user to the off-site form. A lot of times you will see this done where an offsite link will be replaced with something like
http://www.externalsite.com/path/to/locationpage after you have already loaded analytics and saved their traffic information. You will often see this with a message that you are being directed to an off-site page...if you are not redirected within "X" seconds, please click this link to continue...blah blah blah... This option will work no matter what changes the 3rd-party makes to their form/submission process because you are just adding a step that you control into the navigation to their page. The drawback is that you still have the third-party form for users to use, rather than your own form. But if analytics is all you care about, this is a robust and easy way to track people at least visiting the sign-up form. You won't be able to tell how many of them actually complete the registration form, but that may not be important to you. This requires absolutely minimal PHP and you can learn to code this for yourself very quickly.
- You can use an iframe (or perhaps AJAX) with an onclick event handler attached to your existing button (the one that takes the user to the third party site) that loads what I will call a "ping" page for analytics before taking the user off-site. It would probably be important to delay the user's departure until after the iframe loaded and analytics actually ran so you would have to use preventDefault and then manually send them offsite once the iframe loaded or AJAX completed. This could get a little complicated in terms of making sure you stop the page navigation until analytics loads, but still make sure that the user gets to their destination in the end (even if analyitcs fails for some reason - so you need to have a lot of backup plans coded in). But, once completed, it will work basically like the option above except without the interstitial page. So you might prefer this cleaner-looking approach.
Any of the above options has the potential to do what you are looking for. So choosing the right method for you will depend on your goals, how comfortable you are with learning PHP, and how complicated the marketing company has made their own form.
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02-25-2013, 10:28 PM #3
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that was explained incredibly well and I really appreciate the suggestions you gave.
I am fairly new to coding - though I can read and alter html and CSS, I am just now learning how to write it for myself. I am a fast learner but I am afraid this might be a little bit beyond my understanding.
I will be looking more in depth into the explanations you gave me, and once again I thank you for the time and effort you put into answering my question.
02-25-2013, 11:28 PM #4
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If that's the case, and it's certainly worth a shot, you should be able to view the page's source, copy the <form> tag, and paste that into your site. You might have to make the action attrib use a full url (starts with http), if they had a site-relative url coded into the form. You want it pointing to the same place on the 3rd party site.
Again, no promises here, sometimes the form handler will reject off-site submits, but i've used such a pattern many times. It works on google docs forms, posting to tumblr, and yahoo searching for some known examples.
Once you put the <form> on your site, you can do whatever you need to with GA, just like any other page.
the other option is to modify the remote page's url to ping GA for your site (just feed it your siteID).
ok, this is basically the same thing as #1 in the list of posted solutions, jsut a little easier to pull off since you don't have to type or match up fields...
02-26-2013, 12:51 AM #5
Actually, the most common "protection" that sites like this use is HTTP_REFERER.
That is, the page that *processes* the form submittal looks to see WHAT page the <form> came from. If the page is not the one they expect (and that means the entire URL, including their site URL, must match), they reject the form submission.
But that's just the tip of the iceberg.
That trick won't work with Google, just to pick an example, because they have much more sophisticated checks in place beyond that.
And I'm not sure it works at all if the <form> and the page submitted to are https:// (never tried it, just don't know).
SO... You can try all the above tricks, including spoofing the HTTP_REFERER, but there's no guarantee it's going to work, as RndMe said.
By the by, the reason sites protect against what you are trying to do is because one of the most common hacker attacks is, indeed, to spoof a <form> submission in the process of attempting to login to protected sites. By spoofing, the hacker can hit your site with thousands of login requests per minute, trying to find the right username/password combination to get in.
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