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    Online tutorial?

    Which tutorial is good for learning online HTML? and in how much time i would be able to learn and make my self perfect in HTML?

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    Quote Originally Posted by softona1 View Post
    Which tutorial is good for learning online HTML? and in how much time i would be able to learn and make my self perfect in HTML?
    Tutorial: W3 Schools. Perfect: depending on invested study hours and practice, including javascript and server-side scripting: some 5 to 10 years.
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    W3Schools.com is the good website for learning HTML online. This provides step by step guide with example so that you can understand easily. It's depend on how fast you want to learn.

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    W3Schools is not a good website (as I already explained in this post). HTMLDog is better.

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    I don't believe W3 Schools is a good option. They almost provide too much information. And, it can get very confusing.

    HTML.net is a pretty good website. It provides a fairly good interface so it's easily navigated. And, it takes you through "lessons" that will gradually increase in difficulty.

    Don't have too much fear with HTML. It's not difficult once you get the hang of it. I'd quickly dive into CSS as quickly as you can as HTML is really the "structural" part of web development where CSS is the styling document - what makes something look pretty.

    Good luck with everything. Keep focused!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    W3Schools is not a good website (as I already explained in this post). HTMLDog is better.
    You didn't explain anything. You just vented your opinion in a few lines, responding to which was/is not possible. And in discussions on the merit of your opinion, such as this one, it became clear that your opinion is an unsubstantiated one. And that, taking into account the didactic qualities and the completeness, W3 Schools is still by far the best site. Most certainly for beginners. Time to grow over the jealousy, Stephan.
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    The didactic qualities are exactly what I was “venting” about because it is didactically questionable to throw a half-hearted explanation about doctypes on a complete beginner when they should rather dive into HTML. In that case it’s better to just put a doctype in the example code and not lose too many words about the whys and hows just yet.

    Doctypes are actually a chapter of their own so it’s didactically not very considerate to give a beginner (who hasn’t even much of an idea about HTML yet!) three doctypes out of seven (and only transitional ones, for HTML 4/XHTML 1) and say: “This ist what you can use, decide for yourself”. How is that relevant or helpful for a newbie? I say, put a doctype in your example and explain them what it’s all about in a later chapter.

    There is a lot more about didactic methods on that site I could “vent” about. And you can certainly respond to my linked post, you just have to click the thread name in the top right corner. Here is the complete thread: http://www.codingforums.com/showthre...83#post1342383

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    I say, put a doctype in your example and explain them what it’s all about in a later chapter.
    And this makes clear that you are criticizing something that you have not even bothered to read. Because what you are suggesting is exactly what they are doing: put a doctype in your example and explain them what it’s all about in a later chapter. And low and behold: the latter page does cover a strict subtype. So your statement "and only transitional ones, for HTML 4/XHTML 1" is baloney as well. Furthermore, HTML4, XHMTL and HTML5, including a frameset subtype, is all that you need nowadays. No need to complicate matters further. So, it again is demonstrated that W3 Schools is an excellent site.
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    I'm not sure this argument (is it the third one on the same subject?) is helping the OP...
    Use the W3C HTML Validator and CSS Validator to check your code and Firebug to see what css is applied to an element
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post
    […] what you are suggesting is exactly what they are doing: put a doctype in your example and explain them what it’s all about in a later chapter. And low and behold: the latter page does cover a strict subtype. So your statement "and only transitional ones, for HTML 4/XHTML 1" is baloney as well.
    Yes, scroll down on that page and read the part about HTML versions and the doctypes. How is that relevant for someone who has just a minute ago written their first <h1>? And a small link to more doctypes isn’t quite “a later chapter”, it is throwing advanced stuff at beginners without guiding them towards best practices.

    But I agree with SB65, this discussion isn’t leading anywhere so I’m done with it. I’ve made my point and you have made your point, and I will continue to make my point in every thread where someone comes with “W3Schools is the best site to learn HTML”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
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    OK, let's first establish that your statement that W3 Schools doesn't cover strict doctypes is indeed baloney. And that there indeed is no need to learn all 7 doctypes.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    Yes, scroll down on that page and read the part about HTML versions and the doctypes. How is that relevant for someone who has just a minute ago written their first <h1>?
    Read again. They are starting with the doctype, not with h1. Which would be a very logical order because that is the very first tag of practically all web pages. And it is essential to put the correct doctype over a web page. Quite a few problems presented here are/were due to not doing that. Plus: the explanation of doctypes on that W3 Schools page is brief.

    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    And a small link to more doctypes isn’t quite “a later chapter”, it is throwing advanced stuff at beginners without guiding them towards best practices.
    A link to is the same as throwing at? What a BS! Especially because the student has the choice: going there immediately, or not, in which case the doctypes chapter will automatically come back if they follow the lessons in the order of the course's menu.

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    I will continue to make my point in every thread where someone comes with “W3Schools is the best site to learn HTML”.
    If you wanna keep making a fool of yourself, go ahead. The of number topics W3 Schools covers is a multitude of that of HTML Dog. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

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    I'm not sure this argument (is it the third one on the same subject?) is helping the OP...
    S/he asked: "Which tutorial is good for learning online HTML?" That is what this is all about, perfectly on-topic.
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    I’m not going to respond to your nitpicking arguments, my point is clear and stays valid. I’ve been a professional teacher for quite some time now and I say in terms of didactic qualities W3Schools is not a good site to start learning from. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIPStephan View Post
    I’m not going to respond to your nitpicking arguments, my point is clear and stays valid. I’ve been a professional teacher for quite some time now and I say in terms of didactic qualities W3Schools is not a good site to start learning from. Period.
    My arguments are not nitpicking, but are valid and have weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post
    My arguments are not nitpicking, but are valid and have weight.
    Yeah, as much weight as yo mama!


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