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    Dreamweaver, GoLive etc?

    I've been doing my pages with CSS, by hand. What do the people here thing of Dreamweaver, GoLive, etc, as far as how they do with CSS, and web pages in general. I hope I can ask that question here.

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    I've only ever used Dreamweaver, and while a couple of years ago (before I was CSS savvy) I used it quite a bit (tables, etc.) along with Fireworks. But in the summer when I designed a site for a prof, I found myself using only the text editor of Dreamweaver. Since then I've formatted my computer and haven't bothered reinstalling Dreamweaver - I do all all my coding with Notepad now (granted, there are some better text editors I should probably look into). Dreamweaver was still pretty good as a text editor, but you can probably find other free ones that do the job just as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insanedesio View Post
    Dreamweaver was still pretty good as a text editor
    That about sums it up! Once you learn to hand code, DW just leaves you with an expensive, resource hogging text editor/ftp/site-management program cluttering your HD up - and with CSS designs, the DW design view pretty much becomes a waste of space.

    DW was great in the days of table based layouts - but I think the sheer size, scope, and complexity of keeping an app that like up to date means it will always be one step behind what you can do with a bit of knowledge and a text editor.

    Gary - web designer, and recovering DWaholic

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    I started out with DreamWeaver and, now that I've learned a small ammount of CSS, I use it to hand code in codeview because I like the hints it gives you. Sometimes anyway. DesignView has become increasingly handy because it shows a close proximation of what IE6 will render...but not all the time so that's not really dependable.
    It's also handy for getting the DTD you want and inserting links and pics quickly.
    I like it better than straight hand coding with notepad but I don't think it's worth the price Adobe gets for it, at least not for how I use it.
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    I code almost everything by hand in Notepad. To save myself a bit of coding effort though, I keep a text file template for every DTD. An example of such a template is at the end of this post.

    I also have GoLive, but it consumes so much of my computerís resources that I donít usually start it up. When I do, the GoLive features that I actually use are:
    • Color‐coded code. This improves readability and helps one catch errors.
    • Automated generation of table rows.
    • The ability to type into the visual representation of a table. Itís particularly useful when you need to change or add a bunch of data in the table quickly.
    • Find and replace for code and text. Itís usually useful when I need to add or remove repetitive instances of code. For example, I can add an abbr element around every instance of a repeated abbreviation.
    • Automatic indentation and the ability to set tab character widths.
    • Unlike Notepad, GoLive saves UTF‐8 documents without a byte order mark (BOM). The presence of a BOM in a document can be problematic when using PHP or certain browsers.
    • Also unlike Notepad, it allows more than one instance of the undo and redo functions.

    I donít use the preview mode because the real browsers provide much more accurate impressions of what the document will look like. I also tend to use experimental code, which GoLive tends to not have support for. I donít create elements from scratch in it because such editors tend to create inefficient or invalid code. And I mostly donít use it for error checking since Firefox extensions are far better for that.

    Code:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" 
      "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
    
    <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
      <head>
    
        <meta name="Author" content="Patrick Garies"/>
        <title>XHTML 1.1 Document</title>
    
        <style type="text/css">
        </style>
    
        <script type="text/javascript">
        </script>
    
      </head>
      <body>
    
        <div></div>
    
      </body>
    </html>
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    I love hand coding in dreamweaver. Especially in CSS, it gives you hints, and you can even see actual color previews. This helps me a ton when choosing colors. I also started out coding in tables in DW, but I think it's easier and FASTER by hand with divs

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    AlleyCode

    I have some experience with GoLive, but I wasn't satisfied with the result. I made one page to see how it looked. The page was about two screenloads wide and six screens deep with blank space! Scroll-bar City!

    I have since taken two college-level computer classes. One of the professors recommended AlleyCode:

    http://www.alleycode.com/

    I really like it. It's freeware (they accept donations); it's fast; it's clean. I can start the software and get started within seconds (GoLive CS requires a coffee break while you wait for it to start).

    AlleyCode has different colors for different parts of code; a search-and-replace function, help files, and lots of features I haven't touched yet. I would say this program is a race car compared to a dump truck (Go Live). I'm not planning to go back to Go Live; it's too much overhead and it writes bloated code.
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    Although I'm hand coding too, I'm actually using Dreamweaver because of the features that the Arbitrator also stated for GoLive (plus I'm using the testing server and FTP capabilities). Also I think validation is pretty accurate in the newest version (8). However, it really does use a lot of system resources and with my 512MB of RAM I also can take a coffee break while starting it so if I just have minor changes to make I'm using a good ol' text editor too.
    Anyway, I wouldn't spend $400 for Dreamweaver...

    The good thing is since I'm on a Mac I'm using Cyberduck as FTP program where one can specify a text editor for editing files online. So I'm using TextWrangler to make minor changes without having to manually download and upload files... a real pleasure.

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    I have to say I love DW to bits because I've found that because I know all of it's quick keys, and find the ftp very useful I can build, upload and test sites very quickly and easily.

    If you want a really good free text editor then use Notepad++ as it is like Notepad, but contains colour-coded text and plenty of helpful add-ons and plugins and pre0written scripts that you can easily incorporate into your page.

    I think the reason I've never let go of DW is because it's all I've ever used to code and once you get hold of DW 8, the CSS portion is very useful in that, again it's coloured coded and contains a huge reference of resources for all aspects of coding

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    Lol? I can't even move one of my image in dreamweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by croatiankid
    you can even see actual color previews.
    If (like me) you don't have dreamweaver or something else which makes it easy to pick colors, the attached file is an excellent resource!

    It is a 172kb HTML file with lots and lots and lots (1536 to be exact) of color swatches with their hex codes.

    (I would have just linked to it, but I couldn't find it on the web [I saved it to my comp like four years ago and I think they updated their site since then])

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