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    Source code "encryption" ... oh pur-lease ...

    Check it out - http://www.digitalamt.co.uk/advhtmlenc.html

    And they're making some dangerous claims:
    # Protect your javascript/vbscript almost any script, e.g. so users/hackers can't discover your security,

    # You can write your own password protected html pages, using plain javascript, or use the built in wizard,
    So ... will they accept liability when someone "hacks" my site because I trusted their "encryption" ??


    btw - took me 2 seconds to view the original, unencrypted source of one of their "encrypted" pages, with this bookmarklet:
    Code:
    javascript:document.body.innerHTML=(
      '<xmp><html>'
      +document.getElementsByTagName('html')[0].innerHTML
      +'</html></xmp>'
      );void(null);
    Last edited by brothercake; 04-13-2003 at 02:56 PM.
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    It is the easiest to make money off people's stupidity and ignorance, and there is no law against it... just an obsevation...

    On a more serious note... I can relate to one's desire to protect javascripts (though encripting is about the worst way of doing it), but what is there in HTML code that is not displayed on user's screen besides a few <div> and <p> tags (I'm talking about a properly designed HTML, when all formating information is put in an external CSS file)
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    brothercake ask if they will accept liabliltiy when you get hacked, then make a test site and let someone hack it and then sue them.

    if they say no, tell them there product don't work and you don't believe it does.

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    or if you wanna go out.

    make a php function that sends a spam email to every possible address(cost a lot of brandwith) telling them that it is flawed.

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    I don't see any claim of accepting liability but they do make this claim:

    you don't have to worry about users accessing your site source, because it will be encrypted
    That could be proved to be a fraudulent claim as evidenced by brothertwinkie already.

    It sounds to me like they are a small group of amateurs trying to make money off of people's stupiditiy and ignorance as Vladdy suggested. They try and make themselves sound like a big company but when you look at their list of products the only one they actually have is the HTML encrypter.

    What kind of company that wishes to have a professional image would put up a page stating:

    [this page is still under construction, check back soon, thankyou]
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    Since newbies are logging on at an alarming rate, there's a sucka born every .01 second.
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    well, technically, it is encrypted. but rot13 is harder to break than whatever they're using
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    Originally posted by joh6nn
    well, technically, it is encrypted. but rot13 is harder to break than whatever they're using
    Well exactly ... it's hardly the Enigma machine is it
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    well, i don't think you can sue them for having incredibly week encryption. all they said is that it's encrypted. they didn't say it was unbreakable. and anything we'd do to get around at encryption, even to demonstrate how week it is, would simply label us as "hackers". ::shrug:: sometimes it's best to just let the idiots screw up on their own.
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    the best way is to just not tell people that they cannot have it.

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    I have a lock made of wax.

    It's pick proof! Solid construction, indeed!

    As long as you don't apply heat or fire...

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    Hmm. As far as I can see, it's one guy - the one mentioned as the domain owner, who also pops up in the license agreement, who's making up to £25 a shot out of a couple of javascript functions.

    People posting their "look at my source-protected page I made" scripts up on forums is one thing; (fair game, mostly ) but he's making money out of it.

    I see what you're saying, joh6nn; it IS *encrypted* - but I reallly think that the Trades Descriptions Act would have something to say about misleading consumers in this way.

    An encryption technology - which is what he's marketing his product as - is being discussed on a public website; not in the sense of "look at this interesting way of using javascript as an encryption tool"; not even as "oh look, another one. I wonder how long it'll take to crack it"; but as "here's a source protection product, and here's the few lines of code it took to render it useless."

    I hope the guy checks his server logs; I'd like him to notice us, and come over here to try and explain to his peers exactly what the hell he's playing at.

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    Talking of one born every 0.1 second, I recall a thing from a couple of years ago.

    I was in my very early days of building a website, (feel like I dunno much more today ) and I needed some photo of a particular large hotel.

    I rang them to seek permission and they said I could use them from their paper brochure but I couldnt get them from the web because they were encryoted.

    I let it go ( on the phone) and then sent by email her online pics which even I had been able to downoload - and actually, prior to the phone call. She was most surprised coz they were 'supposed to be secure'.

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    we should start a clan and go around sending everybody with encrypted webpages, their source code. We might make front page

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    Well, they probably made it IN FrontPage


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