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    Arrow which browsers best for testing?

    i don't want to overload my dad's already considerably slow laptop :-s, but i need to download the major browsers so i can do proper testing for the site i'm working on. i'd just like to know i'd chosen the right browsers, so i don't stuff the laptop any more than i can help.
    the site has to be as accessible as i can make it. right now i'm on ie6 and have also got mozilla 1.3a

    so which browsers should i download?
    this is what i think so far:

    - Lynx.
    - Netscape 4.
    - IE 4 and 5.
    - Opera - 3 and 6 i think.
    - And not Netscape 7 because it's the same as Mozilla?
    - which versions of Mozilla?
    - and what about Konquerer?
    - Phoenix? - only heard of it

    thanks in advance
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    Re: which browsers best for testing?

    Originally posted by ASAAKI

    the site has to be as accessible as i can make it. right now i'm on ie6 and have also got mozilla 1.3a
    good

    - Lynx.
    yup

    - Netscape 4.
    no!

    - IE 4 and 5.
    no!

    - Opera - 3 and 6 i think.
    no! if anything, use 7 - but why bother?

    - And not Netscape 7 because it's the same as Mozilla?
    yup, except mozilla is more up-to-date

    - which versions of Mozilla?
    the latest one

    - and what about Konquerer?
    um, not necessary really, behaves much like mozilla

    - Phoenix? - only heard of it
    light version of mozilla, really

    thanks in advance
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    I use these:

    • IE 6
    • Netscape 7 & 6.2
    • Mozilla (latest and greatest)
    • Opera 7
    • Lynx (though, if your basic design does not rely on Javascript and CSS for functionality, this may be unnecessary)


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    quote:
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    - Netscape 4.
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    no!

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    - IE 4 and 5.
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    no!

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    - Opera - 3 and 6 i think.
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    no! if anything, use 7 - but why bother?

    emmmmm...coz there are lotsa peeps still using those?
    a load of my own friends are still on ie 5.
    or should i not bother because there aren't many differences between the versions? in which case it would be a waste.

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    Lynx is a serial browser, so it gives you a very good estimation of what other serial browsers will get - screenreaders, braille displays, search engine robots, et al.

    iCab for Mac has a page reader built-in How cool is that!?

    Opera 7 has great testing features, like the ability to turn off stylesheets with a button on the toolbar, and a mind-dumbingly comprehensive JS console (it can track errors all the way back to their source object/event, and document every stage!) It can also send local files to the w3c validator from the context menu (so you don't have to upload them)

    Safari/Konqueror is sufficiently different from Opera 7 or mozilla that it's worth getting (if you can run mac or linux). You only really need one or the other.

    I have every Netscape from 1 onwards I never use any of them

    And Phoenix is, like krycek said, just mozilla in a different skin (it's written in XUL; very light, and you don't even have to install it; I use it for virtually all my web surfing). However for developing, a main mozilla build is useful - its JS console picks up strict warnings that Phoenix doesn't.
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    You can't load multiple versions of IE (later than IE 3.0) on a single machine so the version of IE you have is pretty much the one you need to use for testing.
    This inflexability is one of the costs of having the browser integrate deeply into the OS.

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    Why NN 4? An extremly low % of people use it now. My guess is that most of them use it only for testing purposes. I don't even consider it a a viable browser any more.

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    Originally posted by Roy Sinclair
    You can't load multiple versions of IE (later than IE 3.0) on a single machine so the version of IE you have is pretty much the one you need to use for testing.
    This is what Virtual Machines are for
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    Talking about virtual machines, there's a few questions I wanterd to ask:

    - What x86-on-x86 virtual machine program works best? If I don't want to pay the too large sum for VMWare, what alternatives are there? How buggy and hard to configure are they? Do they support mapping sound, gameport, network card?

    - Is there any PPC or OSX emulator out there?

    - What OS is best for browser testing? Win95/98/98se/me? WinNT/2k/XP?

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    I only have experience of VMWare; but my friend it truly rocks and is well worth the money. I set it up at work recently - my computer there has two independent internet connections, a DHCP LAN/proxy connection, and a local private LAN - and when I installed VMWare, then installed Win 98 in that, everything just worked straight away as if it were my normal computer

    Version 4 is in beta at the moment, and it supports (get this) drag and drop between virtual machines

    afaik there is no PPC emulator for windows. There was one in development once called Gemulator, but it was never released - the word seemed to be that PPC emulation is impossible without access to proprietary information .. which Apple aren't giving away, obviously.

    I'd say 2K or XP are best (go for XP pro rather than home - can't run IIS on home ... if you care ). I love XP personally, but lots of people are perfectly happy with 2K. Stay away from ME like the plague ... you'd be better off with 95 ...

    As much as I do favour windows - because I'm so much more productive in it - I'm also having a sly affair with OSX It's very cool indeed.
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    I have IE6 some random build of mozilla (new at least) and the newest opera, ive never searched for lynx, but brothercake pointed out to me before, (and above i believe) that in the toolbar of opera there is an option, i guess it emulates a text browser? pretty handy

    but as long as you keep your HTML first and your CSS second, your site will work very well.
    in other words, dont position a div high on a page with CSS, but very low in the HTML, because when the page is rendered things will look all crazy-like, place it in some sort of order etc.
    also when you build your page, give the coding some meaning.

    my ideas *shrug*

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    Originally posted by cg9com
    in other words, dont position a div high on a page with CSS, but very low in the HTML
    Au contraire - do do that; for eg - you can order your html like this:

    content
    navigation

    But you can present it to graphical web browsers like

    navigation
    content

    See the value in that?
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    Originally posted by brothercake
    See the value in that?
    I do.
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    Have you read Joe Clark's book - 'Building Accessible Websites'? That was his idea ...
    "Why bother with accessibility? ... Because deep down you know that the web is attractive to people who aren't exactly like you." - Joe Clark


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