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    First Question - Is there a way to convert a word document into a webpage?

    Hi everyone!

    Here is my first post, first question.

    I am diligently working away at my personal webpage.
    It is basically a blog-style page tailored to my style.
    I am only familiar with html and css, so it is very simple, but sufficient for my needs at the moment.

    My question is, is there a way for me to transfer the extensive amount of writing I do in my word processor directly to my webpage.

    Perhaps I should clarify a bit.

    Online journalists and bloggers do extensive writing as well.
    I cannot believe that they spend the additional half hour or more inserting html tags and css styles to their writing so that it will display with the desired formatting.

    Guess #1

    My guess is is that there is a program that they write their articles in, exactly like a word processor, and when they are ready they simply process the article through the program and it comes out with all the html tags and css styles already inserted, ready to simply be copied and pasted into the html document.

    Is this the case?
    What program is it?

    Guess #2

    The difference b/t using a word processor to type up an article with formatting, and adding all the formatting oneself with tags and styles, is that b/t taking a jog and running a marathon.

    Inserting endless <br> tags and <p> tags {font-weight} styles and {font-family} styles is absolutely exhausting.

    I can't imagine journalists, or bloggers finding it fair to pore over their writings and then be forced to spend a half-hour or more adding code.

    Is it possible to save a document as a doc. or rtf. and then link to it with an <a> anchor tag.
    Will it render in a browser just as it looks in the word processor?

    Or, is there a way to save a doc. as a jpg. or gif. and then link to that?

    Is this how journalists and bloggers do it?

    Thanks in advance for your help,
    David.

    P.S : Inserting tags and styles is exhausting ~,~

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    welcome!
    Well there are several questions here and I can only answer some of them.
    --Everyone uses something different.--

    guess 1)
    There are
    many different programs you can do this with. Microsoft word is one of them(though its output is horrid to read or do anything with). In most programs you can select something like "Export as HTML file". You may be looking for a wysiwyg editor.(what you see is what you get). Dreamweaver is a favorite of most.

    dreamweaver: http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/


    guess 2)
    Can A doc be linked to? : Yes, but in almost all cases the user will jsut be prompted to download the document.
    Can I make a .jpg of a doc? : You can, but it is a bad idea. The image will be huge and will likely take forever to download.

    Transfer our writing to a web page: What word processor do you currently use? From there I will be able to help further.


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    Hooray!

    Somebody responded to my question!

    I tell you my friend, it feels like I'm sailing in a vast ocean on a raft with a single sail and a canoe paddle for steering.

    Just hearing from a fellow human being who can give me some assistance is like having somebody to talk to, for a moment, even help paddle, out there on the lonely sea of learning to code.

    It feels, like, for a few moments, the dark cloud which is pressing on my poor, bewildered, mind is lifted.
    It is a huge release.
    phew...and...sigh...

    ----

    I am familiar with dreamweaver and my pentium III simply can't handle it, nor can my economically challenged financial state.

    I have NVU, and it is a very attractive program, but I don't like the way it changes the way I have my code laid out in Notepad and Metapad.

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    The solution I am hoping for is one where I can use the familiarity and functionality of a word processor to prepare my writing as I like it, and then to simply "put it" (for lack of a more appropriate term) on my webpage.

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    The "exporting" feature of Microsoft word is exactly what I had in mind, but, I agree.
    The code is horrible looking and doesn't work perfectly.

    Is there another program which creates nicer looking code that I can just paste into my html document?

    I am actually quite content with WordPad for the majority of my writing for the website.

    I just want to "bold" some text here, and "italicize" some text here, and break my lines, and indent my paragraphs, and separate my paragraphs.

    This is actually quite bothersome.
    I have been using word processors most of my school life, and I am accustomed to their functionality.
    Trying to capture that functionality when transferring my writing to the web, feels like taking a step backwards to the days of manual typewriters.

    I used my Moms a bit back in the 80's, and God! was it cumbersome and imprecise.

    The difference between a canoe and a powerboat.

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    I will ask the obvious question.

    Why is there a not program which will simply upload documents, with all their attractive formatting, directly onto a webpage?

    I cannot imagine it is difficult in the least?

    Word processors are written in a programming language?
    Simply render the language into one that a browser understands using a preset series of algorithms.

    I don't claim to much understand this.
    I'm a Star Trek science nerd : that is mostly fictional (for now).

    Still, I know that this is easy stuff to do.

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    I'll say it again:

    What are the online journalists and bloggers doing?
    What do they know that I don't?

    What are the people who type long articles, several of them a day, and then uploading them to the web doing?

    They can't be adding endless html and css?
    I won't accept that.

    There is no way a professional writer can afford that extra time.

    Have a coder do it for them?
    Completely inefficient and really quite unfair to relegate such a tedious, pointless task to a fellow human being.
    That's like asking somebody to work in Wal-Mart.
    oh wait...
    plenty of poor souls already do that...
    well. our society has to change and say :
    nobody should have to work in pathetic jobs like that.
    nobody.

    That will come when our society matures beyond a capitalist system into a humanist system (kind of like Communism, but where people actually allow themselves to use their feelings and not just party dogma).
    Feelings are the key.
    Once humanity accepts feelings, the whole world is going to metamorphosize into one where we actually feel happy, really happy inside.
    ...I'm a dreamer.
    Somehow my dream got woven into my discussion of coding.
    My mind wanders a great deal.
    I hope this isn't against forum policy.
    If it is : my apologies.
    It's just that my website is directly integrated into my exposition of my beliefs and dreams.
    I can't really separate the two.
    One is mutually dependent on the other.
    Kind of like : life.

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    My website is :
    http://members.shaw.ca/davidjuliowang

    It's grade school level for the moment, but my copious amount of writing is evident.

    I welcome you to take a look.
    I have a lot of opinions and ideas,
    but,
    the free expression of those opinions and ideas is what our ancestors fought and strived for.

    I believe I am honoring them by utilizing that freedom to my fullest potential.

    -----

    Thanks for the assistance Adam,
    David.

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    Most blog/news letter/forum software includes one of the online HTML WYSIWYG editors, such as the fckeditor - http://www.fckeditor.net/

    Edit: If I remember correctly the fckeditor even has a "paste MS word" button available that deals with MS formatting.
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    Most of this post is completely irrelevant to coding, and I would first ask that you keep comments directed so this forum can be useful to others who search it for answers. See Rule 1.7

    Also when you make a post, please make it much more concise and straightforward. It was difficult to assess where your questions really are.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjuliowang View Post
    Why is there a not program which will simply upload documents, with all their attractive formatting, directly onto a webpage?

    I cannot imagine it is difficult in the least?

    Word processors are written in a programming language?
    Simply render the language into one that a browser understands using a preset series of algorithms.

    Still, I know that this is easy stuff to do.
    The biggest reason is that if you make documents with a word processor, you are making something for print. If you make a web document, you are making something for the web. Your suggestion of rendering the language into one the browser understands is what exporting a Word document does. Why reinvent the wheel? Web content is drastically different in purpose and style from a print document, hence the reason why it has been an underdeveloped feature. Regardless of how easy it is (which I think you underestimate the skill level), I believe its more about purpose. Word processing simply isn't here to replace better methods of content writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjuliowang View Post
    What are the online journalists and bloggers doing?
    What do they know that I don't?

    What are the people who type long articles, several of them a day, and then uploading them to the web doing?

    They can't be adding endless html and css?
    I won't accept that.

    There is no way a professional writer can afford that extra time.
    A professional should have experience in this area. It would be crazy to think that a lawyer specializing in adoption laws wouldn't be familiar with the laws of the constitution and state he/she is working in. Same applies with writers on the web, they have at least some level of understanding of HTML and CSS, which is the ONLY way to make web pages. You could post PDFs, DOCs, or other computer files, but to make web pages HTML and CSS are the ONLY options, and are actually very efficient in formatting content in comparison to our friend the desktop word processor. Thats why web pages are so small in comparison to a DOC file. You may think they have to sit and code for hours, but that is untrue. CSS make it simple to add styles to your content just by wrapping it with HTML tags.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjuliowang View Post
    Have a coder do it for them?
    Completely inefficient and really quite unfair to relegate such a tedious, pointless task to a fellow human being.

    THRU

    I can't really separate the two.
    One is mutually dependent on the other.
    Kind of like : life.
    All of this is off topic and should not be posted on further. I appreciate your enthusiasm on your other topics, and wish I could discuss as a political science student, but this is not the place.

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    Thanks CFMaBiSmAd!

    I've never heard of a web based text editor.

    So it possesses the same features as a desktop editor like Microsoft Word, but text written in it will display perfectly on the internet?

    That would be great!

    I'll be looking into it!

    What a cool thing!

    Ha!
    I knew there had to be program like this!
    There is just no way in the 7 Kingdoms that any sane journalist or blogger would pour their heart into an article and then go through ornamenting it with endless html tags and css styles.
    The poor people have to retain some semblance of sanity, or else how can they go grocery shopping? ^_^

    I'll drop a message to let you know how it works for me.

    David.

    P.S : heh heh. There wouldn't happen to be another option to explore would there?
    In case this one doesn't work.

    Linking to the document is not good b/c the document wouldn't display on the page itself, in the nice column I prepared for it.

    Linking to the document saved as a .jpg, or .gif is not a good idea, because the load time would be compromised.

    There isn't a magic coding language which has a tag like <format> is there?
    One where if you simply insert the magic tag, and paste the article into the html document, all the formatting is conserved.
    sigh...
    that would be awesome-o...(to quote Cartman).

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjuliowang View Post
    There isn't a magic coding language which has a tag like <format> is there?
    One where if you simply insert the magic tag, and paste the article into the html document, all the formatting is conserved.
    sigh...
    CSS is that which you are talking about.
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    Most of this post is completely irrelevant to coding, and I would first ask that you keep comments directed so this forum can be useful to others who search it for answers. See Rule 1.7
    I understand Jeremy.
    My apologies. ,_,

    You may think they have to sit and code for hours, but that is untrue. CSS make it simple to add styles to your content just by wrapping it with HTML tags.
    I wouldn't say hours, but when I write, I "bold", "italicize", and do a lot of "line breaks" and "paragraph separation".

    Inserting the necessary tags is time consuming.

    Not unbearable, but, I still am much quicker with a word processor, and, more accurate. (I forget to close my tags on more than one occasion).

    Originally Posted by davidjuliowang View Post
    Have a coder do it for them?
    Completely inefficient and really quite unfair to relegate such a tedious, pointless task to a fellow human being.

    THRU

    I can't really separate the two.
    One is mutually dependent on the other.
    Kind of like : life.
    All of this is off topic and should not be posted on further. I appreciate your enthusiasm on your other topics, and wish I could discuss as a political science student, but this is not the place.
    Again, my apologies, my friend.

    I'm actually an English major, with an absolute commitment to humanism.

    Thank you for appreciating my enthusiasm.
    It's....well...appreciated. : )

    David.

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    Content Management systems.... People use Content Management systems to publish articles. Wordpress being my favorite and prob the most popular but there are thousands more.

    What I'm starting to do is after I design a site I turn it into a wordpress theme. I see many advantages in this because once I really start freelancing I can set all my clients up with customized sites in wordpress or an other CMS making it easy for them to manager their site even with no HTML/CSS knowledge.
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    Try my XPFilter. It takes the output from Word XP's 'Save as html' and strips away most of the extraneous stuff that Word adds. It attempts to preserve some of the styling, but this is a little flaky. I would welcome any feedback on how useful this is.

    John Rostron

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    Microsoft Word is the absolute worst possible choice for creating web page content. The HTML export option is designed for transferring the data to other Microsoft products and contains 99% proprietary markup that even the third party filters are unable to completely remove.

    Most Journalists etc would be adding their content into an online Content Management system (free CMS scripts such as Joomla and Drupal have this capability).

    There are also WYSIWYG web editors such as Dreamweaver (fbuy from Adobe) and Kompozer/NVU (free downloads) which allow you to create web pages by just typing the content and having the editor add the necessary HTML via toolbars similar to the Word toolbar.

    Using Word to create your web pages is the equivalent of putting in screws by bashing them with a hammer instead of using a screwdriver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    Using Word to create your web pages is the equivalent of putting in screws by bashing them with a hammer instead of using a screwdriver.
    good analogy

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    Thanks trigger_tre, felgall, John Rostron, and srule_.

    I'm overwhelmed that you guys posted my topic which I thought had already finished discussion.

    This is a really great forum!

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    Content Management systems.... People use Content Management systems to publish articles. Wordpress being my favorite and prob the most popular but there are thousands more.

    What I'm starting to do is after I design a site I turn it into a wordpress theme. I see many advantages in this because once I really start freelancing I can set all my clients up with customized sites in wordpress or an other CMS making it easy for them to manager their site even with no HTML/CSS knowledge.
    Wow srule_! That sounds amazing!

    My mind feels somewhat overwhelmed at the moment by all the information.
    It will take me some time to process it.

    Thanks for the tip!

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    Try my XPFilter. It takes the output from Word XP's 'Save as html' and strips away most of the extraneous stuff that Word adds. It attempts to preserve some of the styling, but this is a little flaky. I would welcome any feedback on how useful this is.

    John Rostron
    That is uber cool.
    You designed your own program?
    Neat-o.

    At the moment, my quest for a program that can convert a document created in a word processor into html with all the appropriate formatting conserved has abated.

    I just finished the layout for my website, and my overwhelming need to write has also calmed down.

    I will keep your program in my mind though John.

    Thanks!

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    Most Journalists etc would be adding their content into an online Content Management system (free CMS scripts such as Joomla and Drupal have this capability).
    Cool felgall! srule_ mentioned the same thing.

    I will have to look into it when I again feel unhappy with adding my css styles to my writing.

    There are also WYSIWYG web editors such as Dreamweaver (fbuy from Adobe) and Kompozer/NVU (free downloads) which allow you to create web pages by just typing the content and having the editor add the necessary HTML via toolbars similar to the Word toolbar.
    I didn't know NVU could do that.
    I have the program but I don't use it because it changes the way I have my code organized.

    ...hmm...I'll have to look into it though...
    at the moment I feel like I just climbed a mountain, having finished my webpage's layout, and I don't want to hear that I could have just taken the ski lift.

    Using Word to create your web pages is the equivalent of putting in screws by bashing them with a hammer instead of using a screwdriver.
    Very funny!
    I had a friend who believed strongly in teaching through analogy.
    She once explained the principles of microeconomics to a bunch of older ladies by talking about it in terms of grocery shopping.
    The ladies all got it perfectly down.
    People aren't stupid, they just don't like being talked down too is all.
    Talk to them in terms they understand, and they can understand anything.

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    Thanks again Everyone!

    David.

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    WoW That is alot of Text }
    Just Save as HTML Or Web Page whatever MS Call it in in the File Menu Just as a save option

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    Quote Originally Posted by barkermn01 View Post
    WoW That is alot of Text }
    Just Save as HTML Or Web Page whatever MS Call it in in the File Menu Just as a save option
    Why would you do that? It will take about 10 times longer to delete the garbage out of the file than it would to save as plain text and manually add the HTML.

    I once had someone attend a class I was running on creating web sites for beginners who had created a site by creating it in Word and saving as HTML. They then wanted to make changes to the site to make the pages faster to load and no one they approached wanted to even consider attempting to extract the small amount of content out from between all the Microsoft Office commands. I actually explained to her what was and wasn't needed and by the end of the class her files were 5% of the size they were at the start (she still had some garbage left to remove or they'd have been smaller still).
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