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    IE7 beta to debut this summer!

    Looks like Microsoft is finally feeling the heat of Firefox. According to News.com, IE7 beta will be out this summer, before Longhorn: http://news.com.com/Reversal+Next+IE...63.html?tag=nl I'm actually excited.
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    Well we shall see if they can do as they say...

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    Hey, Brady's mentioned in that article! Nice one mate...

    "Any released information stating your commitment to modern coding practices--meaning XHTML, CSS, XML, not to mention full PNG support?" asked Web designer Brady Frey in response to Hachamovitch's blog posting. "Aside from security, this has been the reason why we've dropped IE's usage company wide--I have the choice of building one Internet application for all users, or one for IE users. We don't want to waste money doing both anymore."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryltar
    Well we shall see if they can do as they say...
    True, I have my doubts as well whether it will in fact be in the summer, but at least Microsoft is showing movement again as far as improving IE and reviving the browser "war." That can only be good for consumers and developers.
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    I would prefer that they lose some more of their monopoly on web browsing but at the same time I want IE to be capable of rendering web pages while it's still dominant. I doubt we can have it both ways yet but the internet can only benefit (at least initially) from IE taking things a step further, which I expect it to seeing as they haven't updated it in years.

    The IE development weblog which is linked to in that article in case anyone missed it, has become somewhat of a flame war unsurprisingly enough. It's pretty funny (the Microsoft loyalists especially) but not very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilipie
    Hey, Brady's mentioned in that article! Nice one mate...
    Thanks... mucho website hits for that one.

    I don't know how I feel about this until I hear more -- a part of me is excited, a part of me doesn't want to be let down again. IE lately seems as if it does juuuust enough to squeel by - and it irritates me that I'm slowed down because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradyj
    Thanks... mucho website hits for that one.
    Hehe, I bet you're hating that

    I'm going to wait until we got a physical product before I write this one off.
    I'd be very surprised if IE's CSS support came into line with the other players in the market.

    I take no responsibility for the above nonsense.


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    Whatever I might think of PPK, I think he's right in part of his assessment: There will be no major changes to the underlying engine (Trident). However, I think we'll see improvements similar to those in between ie5.5w and ie6w in Trident.

    The question is only: what? I doubt they'll upgrade the JScript engine. I hope they don't bring XHTML support into it, since I don't think the CSS engine is up to it. They might improve the JavaScript browser objects. They will probably have some improved DOM support, but don't ask me where. Most of all, I don't believe they will change current behavior to match standards. MSHTML is too important for so much in Windows and Office to allow major changes where they would really be needed.
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    "I think it's a response to both the delay of Longhorn and the challenge of Firefox," said NPD Group analyst Ross Rubin, who added that Firefox was probably the sharper spur. "Were there no Firefox, they'd have more leeway to sit on it until Longhorn."
    Obviously...
    Were there no competition, Microsoft wouldn't even think of doing something about the so called "security risk" They'd have been content controlling the market and not given much thought to user's issues.
    Firefox guys had better start warming up for an update to firefox cos i can bet you IE7 will have all the features of firefox availble to laymen. I can assure you 80% of the browsing population don't know anything about web standards and as such, the only visible reason many people switched to firefox is because it's got multi tab support and it looks good. I'm sure the coming IE will have both as well. Let's hope it conforms to web standards and addresses security loopholes - so it can continue being the monopoly or let's hope it doesn't - so Firefox will can continue to spread.
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    I guess they mean summer '06

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    sorry to burst your bubble folks. but you wall know very well people will be using IE6 for years to come... :P
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    All I can say it that I hope Microsoft will create what they promise to create. Also, I hope they attempt to make IE7 a worthy competitor to Firefox, however IEvil has already has millions of people that have quit using it, so I don't see it becoming the reigning champion of browsers once more over Firefox
    Unfortunatly, it is still the most widely used browser, lets just hope M$ will keep to their word.

    They probably will include everything that other browsers have, like tabbed browsing, XHTML support etc etc..just to win the users back. I only see the people who know nothing about web standards using IEvil.

    btw, whackaxe states that IE6 will be used for years to come....very true.

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    I seem to recall M$ saying not too long ago that they were not going to release IE7 for older OSs? Looks like that's changed!

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    Well, just to give another point of view than tboss123 and others, I don't think Microsoft feel the slightest pressured by Firefox. The browser is not an area where Microsoft has anything to gain any longer. That's also why I don't believe there will be any standards, feature or interface improvements of note in ie7 except for security related things and maybe the popup handler.

    What has been pressuring Microsoft for a long time, however, is corporate sales. It isn't a large portion, but they have lost a portion of their corporate sales of Windows to Linux. This has happened primarily as governments and institutions, new companies and company branches selecting Linux and not full changeovers (ala IBM, who aren't finished with theirs because of problems with intranet locking to the ie platform). One of the biggest stated reasons for chosing Linux over Windows has been that it's just too hard to maintain reasonable security. Ie, oe and outlook remain the top entry points for exploits and viri, and Microsoft are trying to lock those up and patch the holes.

    So if anything it's Microsoft's corporate customers and not Firefox that has forced this. Microsoft aren't losing any paying customers because users switch to Firefox, but they are losing customer growth due to Linux.

    To end as I started, I don't think Microsoft feels any pressure from Firefox. It isn't logical that they should feel pressure from product that does not directly compete with one of their cash calves.
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