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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Sinclair
    I'd also guess that most users will never approach 1GB of email stored on the Google server, in fact it would be because they've measured how much email the average user keeps around (long term) that they've got a good idea how much actual storage will be needed that they went ahead and decided that 1GB would make an upper limit which sounds magnificent for advertising but is probably only going to be used up by very few individuals.
    That is exactly it. Webhosts use the same technique. They might offer a huge amount of space or in some cases unlimited space but they know that not every user will actually use up all that space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Sinclair
    I'd also guess that most users will never approach 1GB of email stored on the Google server, in fact it would be because they've measured how much email the average user keeps around (long term) that they've got a good idea how much actual storage will be needed that they went ahead and decided that 1GB would make an upper limit which sounds magnificent for advertising but is probably only going to be used up by very few individuals.
    Yep, and I believe they will be limiting attachments to 10MB so it isn't like you could be emailing full CD ISOs around or something.
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    to the privacy advocates: would you prefer ads about totally random stuff, like McDonald's and Viagra or ads targeted at you? A new resturant in your area? tried and tested physician? don't forget that ads help consumers as well, especially ones that apply to that specific consumer.
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    It is not about the ads it is the fact that they will be scanning all of your emails. One of the things the privacy advocates want to know is how this information will be shared with other corporations. I will stick with yahoo.
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    What is currently stopping Yahoo from scanning your email? Nothing; it is just that Google is telling you that you they will be reading it.
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    I agree, I'm concerned. If I had a Gmail account, I would definately only use it for your regular conversation -- not that my regular mail isn't that safe regardless, but I don't want it mixed in with god knows how many other users, and saved for an extensive period of time.

    Especially here in the U.S., I can already see a new administration subpeona-ing Google for Mail copies as a way to thwart terrorism. They've already attempted to pull medical records and all account transactions for flight holders (our JetBlue is the culprit on that).
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    I believe they are only scanning your e-mail just to find revelant keywords and display ads situated to the message. Not store your whole message and give it to the Iraquies or Bin Laden...
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    Google wouldn't, of course -- but to scan an email message, means you have a computer's eyes on it, and memory with it -- relevance by words = a memory of information on both ends. That can be subpeona'd -- and it's not the Iraqis I worry about, it's my own government.

    I think we're violating a politcal discussion rule somewhere , or am I wrong on that and it's open season?
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    As for the whole Yahoo vs Google thing, Yahoo also has their games department which brings in quite a bit of traffic (so ads there are profitable). I'm sure Yahoo will lose some traffic, but they'll live.

    As for Mail services scanning your emails... how do you know if they're scanning your emails? For example, if you have an email address with your ISP, how do you know they're not scanning your emails? My ISP, Telus, has a spam filter on their email service -- so that's considered scanning your emails too.

    If they're scanning your emails already, I'm sure it's not hard to pick out some keywords or phrases and flag those emails accordingly and forward them to the FBI!! Just as an example anyway...

    It will only be a computer scanning your emails after all, and I think if you're really worried about it just encrypt your email messages. You can use the whole public/private key thing and just encrypt your messages. Even if you include the decryption algorithm in your message, the computer wouldn't be smart enough to find it and apply it to your message.

    Just a thought...
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    I think a gigabyte of storage is a lot. I get 20-25 emails a day (most of which are spam) and I barely use 2 megabytes.
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    I am thinking that maybe there is a catch like you can only have so much mail and/or the size of the mail might need to be only so big...

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    I believe you can't remove mails from your Gmailbox (only move them to the trash) so it might add up, certainly if html-mail with images etc becomes the norm.

    Billy Boy once set that no PC user would ever need a HD of more then 1 GB so in a few years a mailbox of 1 GB might be seen as a strict minimum.

    I'll be trying it out for sure cause i think a searchfunction on my mails is realy a nice enough feature to cope with the add-texts.
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    Wow this surprises me that google would do something like this. It makes me think google is turning into one of those evil spyware or spam companies: offering great things for "free" but with a nasty privacy invasion. The whole 1gb thing makes this seem even more evil in offering such an deal just so they can scan your email (if they are willing to give this much for scanning your emails, they must really value scanning your email) . I would not like the idea of my emails being scanned to profile me. Ill stick with my personal mail server.
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    Google will not give out any of the information they've collected on any single person to a thrid party. In fact, they're lawbound to never give it out, even in case of police investigations. (They may have to give access to their systems to the police in case of them being investigated, however.) They are also bound by non-US laws governing storing information about citizens, some of which states that data about a person may never be stored in a public, human accessible form so that the data may be connected with a certain person.
    (Well, there's limits to these kinds of laws, but Sweden for one for example.) That makes statistically treating the data the ONLY choice Google has, except for on the demand of the person involved. (Such as when logged in...)


    I believe what Google wants to access, is raw data for anything. Their entire business builds around handling, categorisation and sorting of data, and email would give them a very large data sample of the more casual data kind. This would be great for their human language semantics efforts, for one.
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