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    IE loses more market share again

    IE lost more market share worldwide, dropping to 60% usage.
    IE is now the minor player vs all the modern browsers in Europe dropping to 45%.

    As more Europeans run Windows Update and try out the new browser selections on the ballot box, hopefully we can cut IE down to 25% over the next year or two. Especially as web sites use more of the new standards and practices which won't even be available in IE9 (which won't be out for almost 2 years) and IE users find they miss out on new features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drhowarddrfine View Post
    As more Europeans run Windows Update and try out the new browser selections on the ballot box, hopefully we can cut IE down to 25% over the next year or two. Especially as web sites use more of the new standards and practices which won't even be available in IE9 (which won't be out for almost 2 years) and IE users find they miss out on new features.
    I like the idea of 25%. I don't use IE for browsing and FF lived about 5 minutes on my pc, we still need IE to push development. IE has some nice features such as printhtml and mhtm support. So to keep competition and therefor progress we should not try to kill IE.
    Just don't use it too often :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfit View Post
    So to keep competition and therefor progress we should not try to kill IE.
    IE is no competition and webkit, gecko and presto (Safari/Chrome, Firefox, Opera) compete pretty well among themselves though I think the common enemy, IE, does make for friendlier cooperation between them. If IE went away, I wonder if it might get a little more cutthroat among them.

    What is mhtm? What does printhtml have to do with this?
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    Mhtml is the container file format that includes everything in just one file. so js/css/html everything in one file. As far as I know only opera has the same support to do so. I like printhtml if you use a printer spooler. As far as I know IE is the only browser that does have commandline printing.
    So the competition isn't so much on marketshare, but on features

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfit View Post
    Mhtml is the container file format that includes everything in just one file. so js/css/html everything in one file. As far as I know only opera has the same support to do so.
    There are Firefox extensions that handle mhtml, plus there is an open source (or moz?) format that does the same thing and there's a FF extension for it.
    I like printhtml if you use a printer spooler. As far as I know IE is the only browser that does have commandline printing.
    I'm pretty sure the other browsers do, too, especially FF, but not my area.
    So the competition isn't so much on marketshare, but on features
    Then, like I said, IE is no competition.

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    I tried FF306 and that didn't have mhtml support and on my pc it was a memory hog so I never used it afterwards. I really love opera and if i need commandline features i use IE. I must say i envy the plugin support in FF, but the widgets in opera are so sexy. But what feature sets are available that i'm missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfit View Post
    I tried FF306 and that didn't have mhtml support
    It does. It's available as two add-ons.
    on my pc it was a memory hog
    This is a myth promoted by people who don't understand how 3rd party add-ons work and those who don't know how to read memory usage in the task manager on Windows. It's especially not true from version 3.5 on.
    I really love opera
    That is a great browser but most non-IE browsers are. Typically it boils down to personal preference.
    and if i need commandline features i use IE.
    What are these you speak of? I vaguely recall something about this from days gone by but not sure what you mean.
    I must say i envy the plugin support in FF
    You probably mean "add-ons". Plugins are something entirely different.

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    The memory hog issue isn't true anymore. However, Firefox still slows down insufferably over time, even under my Ubuntu machine.

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    From the command line, run top. What does VIRT and RES report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drhowarddrfine View Post
    You probably mean "add-ons". Plugins are something entirely different.
    OOps my bad, yes i meant add-ons.
    This is a myth promoted by people who don't understand how 3rd party add-ons work and those who don't know how to read memory usage in the task manager on Windows. It's especially not true from version 3.5 on.
    I never installed any add-on and i took more resources than Opera. I know there are newer versions, but Opera just works faster for me.
    and if i need commandline features i use IE
    If I want to go over a list over urls I use html-view. It's a browser that uses the IE engine, which i run from the commandline.
    I tried opening 100 mhtml files on FF and it crawled to uselessness. In opera it still feels smooth. I know it's a matter of preference and i understand why others prefer FF, but in the instances i tried running FF in comparison with Opera I experienced FF is not for me

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    It don't hurt my feelings any that ie continues to loose market share. Don't they have the option in Europe to choose the browser they want to install in windows, instead of being preloaded with ie, or they have more options I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfit View Post
    I know there are newer versions, but Opera just works faster for me.
    Yes, Opera is faster but less flexible and programmable which are the parts that will slow FF down and increase its size.
    If I want to go over a list over urls I use html-view. It's a browser that uses the IE engine, which i run from the commandline.
    Then you were comparing html-view to FF which isn't the same thing as IE vs FF but whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drhowarddrfine View Post
    From the command line, run top. What does VIRT and RES report?
    VIRT=164m
    RES=144m

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    Is that with FF or Opera?

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    Firefox.


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