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    Microsoft is finished

    Microsoft already doesn't matter anymore. Soon it will be dead. I said the first thing a few years ago, if you recall. The second I said would happen if there were a couple of features in ChromeOS, like NeatX and one other.

    I haven't had the time to look into whether ChromeOS has the things I thought it needed to dominate the desktop but Scoble has come up with some brilliant reasons why ChromeOS has already won.
    Google is playing a different game. Google Chrome OS is NOT about killing Microsoft or Apple.

    What is it about? Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.

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    Nice article. I don't think Google Chrome will replace the OS on many workstations but I could see it on small low end netbook-ish machines. Though I could see it being useful where such specialized netbooks still have 1GB of onboard NVRAM for Chrome and some apps and data. So you can still use the device if your network connection is unavailable. Perhaps they are already planning something like this.

    I will agree with that blogger that the InfoWorld author doesn't seem to get it. His points about Linux aren't exactly accurate. Perhaps if he was referring to the 2.6.9 kernel or something but these days the core functionality is pretty solid. There are driver issues still but hell, you still get those on Windows. Regardless of how much success Google has with it, new ideas are always good to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drhowarddrfine View Post
    Microsoft already doesn't matter anymore. Soon it will be dead. I said the first thing a few years ago, if you recall. The second I said would happen if there were a couple of features in ChromeOS, like NeatX and one other.

    I haven't had the time to look into whether ChromeOS has the things I thought it needed to dominate the desktop but Scoble has come up with some brilliant reasons why ChromeOS has already won.

    Just like IBM is dead right? Sure no one pays much attention to them anymore, and Microsoft is certainly heading that direction, as is Google. They are all just at different stages in a Business lifecycle. But dead? Don't matter? Tell that to the wealth of .NET developers out there, I personally prefer Java, but .NET is a solid system, and platform independence doesn't really matter that much when everything is hosted over the web anyway.

    Personally, I don't see much coming out of Chrome OS, as anything it can do, you can do on linux and its just as free. It will probably pick up more market share among the netbooks, mostly because of brand recognition, but the first time a super non-technical user wants to save some videos, documents, pictures etc... on their computer and can't its going to be hell.

    A plain curiosity question that I haven't yet, but a looking forward to hearing the answer to: If it is all about developers, are they providing a web based IDE as well? The idea of developing for Chrome OS, but being unable to actually develop on Chrome OS has had me stumped since I heard about it. If anyone has heard or seen anything on this, please share, as I've not seen anything that allows a developer to build/test/publish applications using Chrome OS.

    Overall my thoughts are that its too early to see what the usefulness of it is really going to be, but it is certainly a different approach and you have to commend Google for that. I absolutely love their apps suite(though docs needs a lot of work), so I'm confident that they will have a lot of answers but its kind of like Google Wave for me right now.........its cool, but why bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad211987 View Post
    Personally, I don't see much coming out of Chrome OS, as anything it can do, you can do on linux and its just as free.
    ChromeOS is Linux, too.
    as I've not seen anything that allows a developer to build/test/publish applications using Chrome OS.
    I think they're saying it's too early still but here is the ChromeOS source.

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    MS will never be finished.

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    Nah, I don't think so. I don't think Linux is anywhere near a position to properly challenge Windows--at least till I can get it to work properly on my laptop, have decent games and have the programs I use on Windows without some difficult and incomplete emulation. I want to love Ubuntu, I really do, but it's a lumbering beast on my laptop.

    Chrome OS is on a different plane altogether and they're both representing different ideas (but I personally think Chrome OS, despite its claims to the contrary, will fail because not everything I want to do on a netbook is on the Internet.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostropartheid View Post
    Nah, I don't think so. I don't think Linux is anywhere near a position to properly challenge Windows--at least till I can get it to work properly on my laptop, have decent games and have the programs I use on Windows without some difficult and incomplete emulation. I want to love Ubuntu, I really do, but it's a lumbering beast on my laptop.
    Well in respect to games, that is a catch 22. A-list titles won't be made for it until enough people use it and to get a lot of people on it requires A-list titles. The same with other Windows programs. It really depends what you do with your computer too. On my laptop I don't play games (apart from some card games) but I use the Internet, develop code, IM, listen to music and watch videos and it does everything I want. But on the other hand, my main desktop is Windows because I play games and I don't want to have to reboot into Windows when I feel like playing.

    What doesn't work on your laptop? The only issue I usually run into with Linux on laptops is with wireless cards. That is the biggest weakness right now with Linux in respect to laptops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostropartheid View Post
    Nah, I don't think so. I don't think Linux is anywhere near a position to properly challenge Windows
    But the thread is about ChromeOS, not LInux in general.
    --at least till I can get it to work properly on my laptop
    It works on both my laptops out of the box
    have decent games
    Get a XBox.
    and have the programs I use on Windows without some difficult and incomplete emulation.
    That's why I don't use Windows. I can't get any of my Linux programs to work well on that thing.
    I want to love Ubuntu, I really do, but it's a lumbering beast on my laptop.
    Hmm. Runs blazingly fast on mine. Much faster than Vista and XP do.
    (but I personally think Chrome OS, despite its claims to the contrary, will fail because not everything I want to do on a netbook is on the Internet.)
    The trend is the mobile web. People look to buying things to keep them mobile. Not desktops; laptops. If not a laptop, a netbook or a smartphone. Desktops are for people who need that but most people don't need a desktop and most people only surf the web and check their messages. Their XBox...er...I mean desktop computer is only there for games.

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    I have a PS3. So what? You aren't the one to tell me what to do with my computer. Besides, there are certain genres that are more suited to PCs.

    It's the graphics card, I think. I had Ubuntu 8.04 running well, once upon a time, but my hard disk failed and after I got that replaced I never managed to get it working again. Now it takes an age to open a window, even with with the barest settings. It's really saddening, because it's such a nice OS which I want to play about with but I'm not being given the chance.

    I don't see how Chrome OS will function with things such as videos, music and photos. My girlfriend has a netbook and still wants all those around, even though she's not a technical user at all. She loves the thing to hell, even though XP is really the worst OS imaginable on it, because it does what she wants.

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    both of MS and Google hire developers. Killing either one of them is not good to anybody. There is no need to kill someone in the market but there is a real need to expand the market boundaries. If Google, which I believe isn't, really is trying to "kill" MS with this new OS, then Google is nothing different then what against it stood for in the first place, and that is what their slogan is shouting "Don't be evil".

    They both should orient like someone here said, to developers, both open-source communities and payed source software.

    There is no need to repeat the stupid 90's mistake which both Netscape and Microsoft did back then. They fought about taking over the market. Efforts they invested in beating each other just slowed www development for a decade. I know people back then know more about it then me.

    Fighting brings good to none. So instead of fighting they both should try to find a way to expand software development market, and not to try and destroy each other.
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    What doesn't work on your laptop? The only issue I usually run into with Linux on laptops is with wireless cards. That is the biggest weakness right now with Linux in respect to laptops.
    That's been my experience too, but I must say the most recent versions of Ubuntu have been great. I just upgraded to 9.10 today and the last of the issues I've had with my sound card have disappeared. Only problem I have now is it seems to be slow on my keyboard input, I type reasonably fast, but sometimes it just plain doesn't pick up on keystrokes. Anyone else seen anything similar?

    Anyway, back on the original topic, I realize that Chrome OS is linux, I simply meant that it offers no advantage over any other distribution, but it takes away some of the choice and flexibility that a lightweight linux installation gives you.

    Get a XBox.
    I hope you were joking with that one. As a developer, would you really tell a user to change their behavior to adapt to your software? There are exceptions, sometimes a user wants the product to read their mind and do their homework etc... but PC gaming is huge, and to simply disregard it is going to have an army of WoW addicts at your door with pitchforks. On the other hand, if they could get Chrome OS to support WoW, that could be quite an easy market share grab

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostropartheid View Post
    I have a PS3. So what? You aren't the one to tell me what to do with my computer. Besides, there are certain genres that are more suited to PCs.
    I just find it strange that the number one reason people seem to even own a computer is to play games. Not you specifically but I hear it everywhere. Without games I'd bet half of all Windows users wouldn't even have a computer.
    It's the graphics card, I think.
    Probably. I'm not sure on Linux or Ubuntu but ATI is not BSD friendly and Nvidia isn't all that helpful.
    I had Ubuntu 8.04 running well, once upon a time, but my hard disk failed and after I got that replaced I never managed to get it working again.
    I don't know but I run Ubuntu on a 1.7Ghz P4 with 1Gb ram with no problems.
    I don't see how Chrome OS will function with things such as videos, music and photos.
    Probably the same way everyone does. A lot of people use Picasa over the web.
    She loves the thing to hell, even though XP is really the worst OS imaginable on it, because it does what she wants.
    My wife runs XP cause she does out books with Quickbooks so she also does everything else on it, too, including watching her online TV shows. I'm impressed it runs well for her and I rarely mess with it. Recently the subject of Windows7 came up and I asked her if she was thinking she would want to upgrade to that and her first question was, "Why should I?". I told her I wasn't saying she needed to if everything worked for her. She said she has no need or interest in upgrading. She also has a laptop with Vista on it so it's not like she isn't aware of other stuff out there.

    That said, the restaurants I own all have their cash registers based on XP. Why, I don't know, but we have nothing but problems with them and the franchise constantly struggles with updates for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad211987 View Post
    I hope you were joking with that one. As a developer, would you really tell a user to change their behavior to adapt to your software?
    I'm repeating what I said above but all too often it seems half of Windows users only have a computer so they can play games. At work, one shouldn't be playing games so, as a non-game player, I view game usage on a computer the same as watching TV and there's a disconnect there for me.

    Computers should be for work. If that's true, ChromeOS could fill that with the portable devices the article mentions. Little dedicated devices so players can battle each other over the internet. Just like XBox does now but with a netbook.

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    Though I would love Microsoft to stop dominating the playing field, and allow for more companies to join in the development of operating systems, it's just not going to happen. First time users, and most business owners will use nothing but Microsoft purely because it's what they're used to.

    Microsoft will never die, just as Internet Explorer will never die until they just stop working. I'd love to see the company split, and standards introduced for software and hardware developers, but it's not going to happen just because Google released a new OS.

    In all reality, the only way to beat Microsoft's dominance with PC is sheer numbers. You simply have to develop enough quality hardware and software that Microsoft can't keep up. That's the only thing that's going to work, IMO.

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    I remember when a Google stock share was about 80 euro. And look where it is right now. Insane. I think Google is going to kick many companies' *** one day, if not already. The company is expanding crazily and comes up with ergonomic and user friendly programs or software. Soon, I believe, Google will be a monopoly, offering things others can't, in a better way.


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