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    About "PM Sent"

    All right, I just wanted to get this off my mind. I read the recent announcement from the paid web projects sections about not posting "PM sent" messages. I always liked seeing the "PM sent" messages, because it kind of gave you an idea if the position has likely been filled. Example, suppose 5 people responded to a thread via PM, but none of the posted "PM sent" or some other indication that they were interested. Then even more people might PM the user, etc. Basically then its the user who's getting spammed, instead of the forum.

    While posting this, I thought that perhaps a good solution would be for the OP to post when he has selected a candidate to do the job for him. Then the forum wouldn't be spammed, and nor would the user.

    I don't know. What do you guys think?

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    Most OPs do this already and will post further if they haven't found the right candidate for the job.
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    I don't think all the OP will come back to post message

    SideNOte: What does OP means. I know its related to the message starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by o0O0o.o0O0o View Post
    SideNOte: What does OP means. I know its related to the message starter.
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    This is a valid concern, but like you said, I think the solution is rather to focus on getting the OP to update the thread when he/she has found a suitable coder. I'll add that to the announcement, and if this is still a problem, see what else I can do.
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    Cool, sounds good!

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    I find the whole "PM sent" thing to be kind of like marking your territory by saying "Everyone, I've staked out my claim for this one, no need for you to send your own PM, this one's mine!" So in that respect it's good to bring the hammer down on "PM sent" because it may give work seekers more options.

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    There may be a better candidate for a job. For example I did a "PM Sent" earlier this week. After looking at what needed to be done, I just didn't have the time for the job. Besides I think not sure but it might be illegal to discuss rates openly in public in the US. At least thats what a different forum I used to be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Aerospace_Eng_ View Post
    Besides I think not sure but it might be illegal to discuss rates openly in public in the US. At least thats what a different forum I used to be said.
    I haven't heard about any laws like this. The only reason I can think of is if a contract was signed that forbids disclosing the rates to competitors.

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    This is what they said
    Quote Originally Posted by Other Forum
    Any discussion of pricing by a group of people within the same industry is illegal in the U.S. It doesn't matter where, how, and when it happens. The federal government calls it "price fixing".

    Any discussion that may be construed as an attempt to fix prices is not allowed within any of the forums. This includes all discussions relating to pricing, rates, and salary in regards to programming, Web design, employment within the Web design business sector, as well as independent contractor and individual business relationships, and other related subject areas.
    Here is a link that explains it pretty well. The site is supposedly a division of the US Department of Justice.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/guidelines/211578.htm
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    I suppose you could make an argument for price fixing, or collusion to circumvent competition, but personally I don't foresee this happening much(if at all) between freelancers. I think that law is more geared toward corporations. Back to the point though, the law doesn't forbid discussing rates implicitly, but rather discussing rates(among other things) for the purposes of preventing open competition.

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    And, posting rates or quotes in public results in a ridiculous pricing war because there will always be someone willing or able to make a lower offer.

    Replies to job offers should only "add" to the thread, such as asking for clarification (or point out issues or shortcomings with what was posted.)
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