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    The formula for the new "Helpful member" award...

    Ok, so with the "Thank You" feature up and running for a few weeks now, I think it's time to proceed with the reason why it was added in the first place- for the new "Helpful member" award calculation. For better or for worse, the process is more automated and easier to maintain than the old votes system IMO.

    To discourage "gaming", and also, to award not necessarily just the "most" helpful member, but members, here's what I have in mind:

    Every 3 months or so, the most helpful member will be calculated using the following formula:

    1) First, a month out of the last 3 months will be randomly picked out of.
    2) Of that month, the top 3 users with the most thanks will be further picked out.
    3) Of the 3, one member will be randomly chosen to win the award.

    For the "random" bit, it will be based on some sort of generator that's public, so everyone can see it's truly random. I think this formula helps identify helpful members in a way that numbers alone can't always do, by bringing in the random bit to the table.

    What do you guys think? Without any real disagreements we can get going.
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    Is there a way to turn the "Thanked x Times" off if we don't want thanks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by felgall View Post
    Is there a way to turn the "Thanked x Times" off if we don't want thanks?
    Unfortunately no, unless you mean globally, for all members.
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    Great Idea! Thanks for doing this!
    I got a suggestion though.
    Instead of having a random picker for the helpfull member I think it would be better to let the users vote like a poll from those 3 users which has been the most helpfull member. Because I think using a random script to determine who's the most helpfull won't always have the correct results and I don't think the most helpfull member award should be assigned based to a random script.

    Thought about something else for that:
    Maybe instead of a regular poll there will be questions about those 3 users like:
    • Do you think this user should win the award?
      Yes
      No
    • Has this user demonstrated knowledge in the subject?
      Yes
      No
    • Has this user ever been rude to anyone?
      Yes
      Explain: [Answer]
      No
    • Why do you think this user should receive the helpfull member tag?
      [Answer]
    • Additional information you would like to add? (*Optional)
      [Answer]

      [Send results]


    This user can be replaced with the user the questions are asked on, Answer is an input, Send results is the final input.
    Last edited by BarrMan; 10-09-2007 at 01:04 PM.

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    In the past job advertisements often stated "canvassing will disqualify". My suggestion is to disqualify people who blatantly ask for rep points, thanks points and helpful member awards. Only insensitive people are comfortable begging.

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    Also I would like to suggest a "Ban a user for being very rude and attacking another user" button.
    Let's say, in this thread for example: http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=125270 I would have probably used it on philip.
    Last edited by BarrMan; 10-09-2007 at 02:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarrMan View Post
    Also I would like to suggest a "Ban a user for being very rude and attacking another user" button.
    Let's say, in this thread for example: http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=125270 I would have probably used it on philip.
    There is a report a post button on the left, its the red/white looking triangle on the left however this is a bit off topic.

    I do agree that it shouldn't be random. If that was the case then what exactly was the point of implementing the "thank a user" system anyways?

    I agree with #1 but I think the top person of that month should win. It only makes sense. Hypothetically speaking I could have 100+ thankful points and then you pick two others who have about 40 points less than me. Then the "random" thing picks one of those two members. Clearly they weren't as helpful as I was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Aerospace_Eng_ View Post
    There is a report a post button on the left, its the red/white looking triangle on the left however this is a bit off topic.

    I do agree that it shouldn't be random. If that was the case then what exactly was the point of implementing the "thank a user" system anyways?

    I agree with #1 but I think the top person of that month should win. It only makes sense. Hypothetically speaking I could have 100+ thankful points and then you pick two others who have about 40 points less than me. Then the "random" thing picks one of those two members. Clearly they weren't as helpful as I was.
    Thanks. But you do know I didn't really mean to have a 'Ban a user' button. It was just because Philip wanted to disqualify me because he doesn't like me or something. I just used the report button. Hopefully someone will do something about what he did to me.

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    Is there an option to donate the award to charity if we win it?

    And I agree, pandering for thank yous and rep points is silly

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    Ah... Nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WA View Post
    Ok, so with the "Thank You" feature up and running for a few weeks now, I think it's time to proceed with the reason why it was added in the first place- for the new "Helpful member" award calculation. For better or for worse, the process is more automated and easier to maintain than the old votes system IMO.

    To discourage "gaming", and also, to award not necessarily just the "most" helpful member, but members, here's what I have in mind:

    Every 3 months or so, the most helpful member will be calculated using the following formula:

    1) First, a month out of the last 3 months will be randomly picked out of.
    2) Of that month, the top 3 users with the most thanks will be further picked out.
    3) Of the 3, one member will be randomly chosen to win the award.

    For the "random" bit, it will be based on some sort of generator that's public, so everyone can see it's truly random. I think this formula helps identify helpful members in a way that numbers alone can't always do, by bringing in the random bit to the table.

    What do you guys think? Without any real disagreements we can get going.

    How are you going to randomly select _Aerospace_Eng_ each time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookster View Post
    How are you going to randomly select _Aerospace_Eng_ each time?
    You really deserve an award
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    I think the "thank user" system is just so abused…you run into posts like this one where people are thanked just for posting. It becomes a game of who will post the most times, rather than who will post thoughtful, helpful replies.

    I still like the old system, where someone had to be motivated enough to mention a helpful user in another thread. Heck, in my day, we had to walk uphill—in the snow, no less—to be able to nominate someone. None of this sissy rep-pandering and "thank me" nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmedek View Post
    I think the "thank user" system is just so abused…you run into posts like this one where people are thanked just for posting. It becomes a game of who will post the most times, rather than who will post thoughtful, helpful replies.

    I still like the old system, where someone had to be motivated enough to mention a helpful user in another thread. Heck, in my day, we had to walk uphill—in the snow, no less—to be able to nominate someone. None of this sissy rep-pandering and "thank me" nonsense.
    Truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter what system will be put up. Every system will be abused, rules will be bent, etc.

    Just the name of the game. I've long given up trying to compete with the more popular users / forums. :P
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    So are you going to turn this silly system off or should I just stop visiting this forum?

    On second thoughts - I have added to my signature requesting for people not to thank me. Hopefully that will keep me out of the silly contest to see who can make the most posts and con people into "thanking" them.
    Last edited by felgall; 10-09-2007 at 11:28 PM. Reason: Thought of an alternative solution
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